I suspect the problem I have had with Angular and ReactJS have been that they bring so much cruft and delay the development process. I know, I use Spring on a daily basis, but we are really just working with web pages. I see the value in templating utilities to cover the boiler plate stuff. I really just want to work with the HTML and let those with design skills handle the CSS. So late yesterday I pulled a few articles on VanillaJS and started to follow along.